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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 85 for the fourth of jun

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2010 Richard Saunders here with you

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better better this week my toes okay and

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my voice is okay so I'm pretty happy

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about that thank you to all those people

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who were concerned now I'm doing okay on

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this week's show I talked to my good

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friends Travis and Delroy from New

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Hampshire from the Granite State

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skeptics and following that we have the

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think tank with dr. H II myself and

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special guest Maynard yes may not the

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radio host if you remember from triple j

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all those years ago still very much

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active on the radio of course I don't

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have anything else to add to that that's

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about it so sit back grab that root beer

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Travis Roy is the co-founder and

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president of Granite State skeptics with

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over 10 years experience in the IT field

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he uses this experience to leverage

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technology to advance skepticism on the

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grassroots level Dale Roy vice president

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of the Granite State skeptics there's a

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high school physical science teacher

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with eight years of experience in the

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classroom she brings her science

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skeptical community with her vibrant

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energy along with monthly skeptics in

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the pub meetings Granite State skeptics

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has been involved in press

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communications and conducting

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investigations of allegedly haunted

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locations and joining me all the way

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from Hillsboro in sunny tropical New

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Hampshire it's travis roy hi Travis hey

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Richard how's it going it's going pretty

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well now I don't think New Hampshire's

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really that tropical isn't and that

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really it's been warm lately we have a

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95 degree day the last week so it's gets

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up there wow I wonder what that is in

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real temperature don't worry I'm sure

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our listeners can convert later now I'm

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very interested to know why did you get

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started or what's your interest in

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skepticism um I think it mostly stems

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from my interest in science and

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technology I've always been kind of a

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geeky person with computers my wife's a

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science teacher and then I think what

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really struck at home for me especially

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recently that caused me to get a little

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more active was uh that my

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brother-in-law's a little out there and

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that that really polarized me to to get

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information and get involved so I think

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that's basically where it comes from but

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I've always had a little bit of an

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interest in science and technology and

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it's keyed into skepticism quite a bit

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can you point to any one any of the

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great skeptical figures

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science figures that also encouraged you

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or inspired you back in the early days

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probably Stephen Hawking watching a lot

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of that the Mythbusters of course is a

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big inspiration to a lot of us and then

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once I started getting into podcasting

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listening to podcasts of course the SG

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you and your podcast along with Brian

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Dunning sir Sceptile right yes that's

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that's great to hear well I'm pleased

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I'm pleased we're helping to make a bit

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of a difference out there it's

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surprising how many people come to the

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skeptic zone via the skeptics guide to

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the universal and I must thank Stephen

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give him a bottle of scotch one day for

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that now tell me a little bit about New

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Hampshire what's it like and what's the

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skeptical movement like that uh New

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been going through a lot of changes

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a kid it was very conservative more

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religious it's it's now starting to lean

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them a little more to the left people

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are starting to be more vocal I've lived

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here all my life and I'm 33 now so it's

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been an interesting 33 years living in

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the state just to see the changes you

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seeing that the state is sort of

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changing a little bit was it looked like

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the deep south was it not very critical

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up there what was the story no it wasn't

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quite that bad it was um it was just it

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there was religion but it wasn't really

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pushed on you it was it was just um it's

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we're kind of in that we were kind of in

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the middle and and now we're moving more

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got kind of a free State movement that's

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moving in that's more libertarian but

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of people because there's little pockets

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within the state that are that are very

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different Manchester is very

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forward-thinking more open to new ideas

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the the out in the Keen air

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from is kind of hippie ish and then the

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conservative it goes and and way up

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want to say like the south but much much

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more religious and and and however until

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recently i don't know i don't think

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there was an organized skeptical

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movement and now of course we have the

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Granite State skeptics can you tell me a

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bit about the history of that yeah of

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course originally it started probably

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about three years ago we had a few false

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mine and we originally were going to

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become a chapter of the New England

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skeptical society and through that we

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found out that there was actually an

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older skeptical group called the New

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Hampshire skeptics that ended up

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fizzling out and that's part of the

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reason why we're Granite State skeptics

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rather than New Hampshire skeptics is we

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former group so after a few false starts

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and not really a falling out but a chain

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a different idea of the direction of the

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group my friend kind of dropped off and

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isn't really part of the movement

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anymore and then we had meetings here

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and there but we didn't really gain much

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traction and then after after tam seven

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something going to really you know get

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with this so I started doing more

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promotion I started getting more people

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of our our stuff I made some great

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contacts at tam seven and we really

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meetings and and just having a great

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time doing it what are the main issues

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that the Granite State skeptics look at

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all tackle up there and I wonder if it's

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pockets of things like people letter an

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evac sand there's actually a movement

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sneaking people in the door that way and

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country of course and yes New England is

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famous for its ghosts and in the old

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days I guess witches yes and actually

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all that stuff away it's a lovely lovely

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town to wander through but um so yeah we

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skeptics panel on and it was myself and

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skeptics and we had the new jay ref

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ufos which New Hampshire has a nice

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expect but we had a lot of supporters

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there and it was it was a really good

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time we had a great moderator that play

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devil's advocate that kind of kept the

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conversation moving so yeah it's good

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sure that it's like Dragon Con of course

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own track and now it's getting into

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giant proportions so maybe that sort of

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thing will catch on up there in the next

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convention but I'd love to visit New

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experience or see one or touch one or or

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hear one or whatever the case may be it

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historical areas and creepy houses and

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things like that and I'm sure New

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fair share of creepy locations yeah and

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during the panel was that you know if

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you don't know what something is then

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you don't know what it is it doesn't

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necessarily mean that it's a ghost er an

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alien and my wife and I gave the example

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of the house that I grew up in which is

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over a hundred years old and the

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original House actually burnt to the

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ground and there were some creepy things

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in that house that even now I still

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can't explain but that doesn't

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necessarily mean that it was a ghost it

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just means we don't know what it is yeah

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1800's sometime or other and every now

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kids where was the ghost walking down

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room and would hear something that

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there's another explanation yeah but it

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as a little kid and it's interesting you

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say you

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sort of energized after tam 7 I wonder

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if that's because you took part in the

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Las Vegas think tank like that must have

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been it I remember that very well that

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was great fun sitting down there in the

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in the bar in the huge gambling area and

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having a group of skeptic sitting around

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the table they're doing the the think

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tank and we'll have to do another one I

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think in a couple of weeks we'll roll it

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tam 8 yes and I and I think that since

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they know that you did one last year

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that we may have a bigger turnout of

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people this year if we do do it again I

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hope so I hope so that was that was

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great and we even had a food

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announcement it wasn't a bus

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announcement but it was a food

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announcement so we sort of did okay yeah

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and of course one of the topics of Tam

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Las Vegas this year undoubtedly will be

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Tam australia and i was so pleased to

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hear earlier in the year when you said

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that you could not only come out to

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Australia but be part of Tam Australia

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itself yes I was very excited to hear

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that and I can't wait my wife Dale who's

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also the vice president of Granite State

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skeptics and i were really really

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looking forward to our trip we're

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actually planning on doing some scuba

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diving before heading down to to Sydney

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for Tam so we actually just started our

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scuba lessons yesterday and yeah we

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can't wait it's going to be it's going

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to be interesting with a huge mass of

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skeptics especially I know quite a few

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people from the states that are going

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and I have a feeling we're going to take

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over sections of Sydney I certainly hope

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so no I'm we're all looking forward to

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it of course we're all working very hard

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here in Australia to a to get it all

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going and now I'm talking to Dale Roy hi

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Dale I now you of course have a

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background in science being a science

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teacher how how do you find that relates

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or two you're skeptical outlook and does

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that really give you a good health I

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think that my side

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its background is actually really helped

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out with my joining the skeptical

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community and my outlook I find that the

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to meld so well together that it allows

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me to see more of the argument that's

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being presented to me so I can come at

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from both sides whereas before I felt

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kinda one sided where it was like I

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would only focus on the science point of

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view and not so much the questions that

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may be raised around it which sounds

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kind of odd but you end up just getting

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into this groove and you just follow

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this path and that's it and on the flip

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side being involved in the skeptical

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movement now learning the new things

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that you've no doubt learnt has that

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changed or help your science teaching

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yeah I try to emphasize more on the

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thinking and what science is about and

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not so much on presenting the facts um

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science facts are nice but if the kids

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can't think or put together information

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and come up with a conclusion you know

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it's not really useful in any way yes I

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absolutely agree I see your point

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because myself and dr. HC do science

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education to where we get out there and

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do our little mystery investigator show

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which is a great fun but I I tried to

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take the angle of entertaining and

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capturing the interest of kids when

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we're teaching science instead of just

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sitting down and telling them that works

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this way they can all be involved with

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it I try to do that with my class as

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well I tried to be less of a orator and

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more of a entertainer and I try to do a

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lot of activities with them so sometimes

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it works out for me and sometimes I've

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had a hard time with it for certain

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topics that I have to cover in the

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classroom but I do my best to not just

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talk at them

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so I wish I could be more like like your

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show and be more entertaining unless

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rigid and following curriculum to a

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certain point okay no I i I'm glad that

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you are actually making an effort

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because I think it will make a

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difference um in your science education

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to take that angle and I'm very pleased

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to hear that you're doing that now

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what's your involvement with the Granite

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State skeptics exactly I attend meetings

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and I help Travis try to set up speakers

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he's really the person who's taken

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control of the whole thing and I i would

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say i guess my role right now would be

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trying to get him to communicate to me

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what he needs done so i can be more

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helpful he kind of just he's a more of a

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take charge and he has an idea and he's

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going to go with it so i try to assist

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as much as i can do you do

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investigations to have you visited a

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haunted house yes i attended the haunt

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investigation with travis and kitty I

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was the one holding the video camera I'm

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jealous i love visiting so-called

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haunted houses and as i was saying to

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travis early in new england is certainly

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full of them yes yes we have a long

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sordid history and will i be seeing you

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at tam las vegas yes you will excellent

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bells on with bells on oh he hear you

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coming down the hallway we are all very

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excited in australia by coming over to

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to Tam bogus and of course you're

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joining Travis here for Tam Australia

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yeah I am really really really excited

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about that I can't wait been counting

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down the days we are all looking forward

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to it because we're going to have so

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many people here and including yourself

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and Travis which will be just fantastic

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well Dale thanks for having a little

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chat well thank you for having me on so

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back with

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to Travis now Travis you are very keen

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and interested on something in something

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i did a little while ago about the Power

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Balance magical power balance bracelet

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and I think you were very active on

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Facebook maybe our listeners would like

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to hear about that yeah so um so shortly

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after you aired your show about that I

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know we had some discussions about it

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about how it was done and and then I

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started looking on facebook and some of

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the Australian skeptics down there most

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notably Dave the happy singer was really

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kind of leading the charge on getting

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the australia and the official

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australian power balance facebook

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fanpage taken down and by the time i got

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involved that one was already down but

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the the international one or i guess the

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us-centric one was still up so with the

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help of some of the australian skeptics

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and and myself and a few other people

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really started bombarding them and and

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one thing that was really interesting

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that was that was a huge win for us and

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was such a boost to to our movement was

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that there was one person that was she

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was like oh no I have one I know it

439
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works it's it's it's it's a great

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product and we kept hammering her and

441
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were like no no listen don't listen to

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the power balance bracelet guys but

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don't listen to us either do this test

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so I laid out a protocol for her to test

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it very similar to the one that you did

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on that a news program and and she did

447
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it and she realized that it was placebo

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and then immediately and she's still a

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big supporter of us is immediately she

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started helping us you know at attack

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the claims that they were making and it

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was probably a week after that that they

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took down the site and I mean we we made

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complaints to facebook also because it

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was very clear that they were setting up

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you know shadow accounts that they were

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only friends with each other and friends

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with people that worked for the company

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and it was only a handful of people and

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they were new accounts and we don't know

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we really don't

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no if Facebook took the page down or if

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they took the page down but the more it

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goes on the more I think Facebook did

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because if you still go to the power

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balance website they have a little icon

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to go to their Facebook fan page and if

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you click on it it just brings you to

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your default page so I'm leaning towards

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the fact that Facebook took them down

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but regardless I don't really care it's

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not there anymore it's the it's nice to

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hear that somebody actually a believer

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actually was open-minded enough to to

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question and test their belief that's

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that's all too rare yes yes we were all

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very happy about that but then further

478
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on that when when you guys had the

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report about finding the wholesaler ah I

480
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forget the name of the website but the

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the Chinese wholesaler where you could

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get them really cheap I decided to start

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looking into that so I went to the I

484
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went to the website and I did some

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digging and the problem with that is is

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that the minimum orders are huge needs

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is 500 500 items a thousand items and

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i'm not i'm not going to buy 500 power

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balance bracelets no matter how cheap

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they are so i started emailing them

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asking if they would supply samples and

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one of the companies actually agreed to

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give me this three samples for free I

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just have to pay for shipping and it was

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coming from Hong Kong so that was like

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twenty five dollars but it was worth it

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to me to actually get my hands on some

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real power balance bracelets and use

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them in the skeptics in the pub kind of

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setting to demonstrate how they're how

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they're used with your applied

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kinesiology technique that you showed on

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your YouTube video so yeah it was really

504
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interesting because the guy was like oh

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yeah what colors do you want what kind

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of packaging do you want there was all

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different kinds of packaging and and it

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was like 12 different colors numb just

509
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like oh send via whatever red one a blue

510
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one and a black one and you know you

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picked the packaging because I don't

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care and so those should be showing up

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any day now and I can't wait now that's

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given me an idea if we had a red and a

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black or a blue one or it doesn't matter

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what colors they were you could have a

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whole new scam about this only works

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with your you know we have to look at

519
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your your eyes what are they are there

520
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blue eyes okay now we must

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use the Red Palace because you've got

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blue eyes and then you could do the test

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and it works and he tried the black one

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you see it doesn't work at all you might

525
00:23:51,060 --> 00:23:48,789
look into that a pretty good idea or

526
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match them up with your auras yes that's

527
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right what what are your aims and goals

528
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over the next say two or three years

529
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with the Granite State skeptics oh jeez

530
00:24:03,299 --> 00:24:01,059
that's a tough one um I'd like to do

531
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more events and I think the biggest

532
00:24:08,879 --> 00:24:05,559
thing in our biggest challenge will be

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getting more speakers for our monthly

534
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meetings being where we are we don't

535
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have a lot of bigger name people passing

536
00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:19,389
through like Boston or New York or other

537
00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:21,609
bigger cities do so it's kind of hard to

538
00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:24,340
get some speakers in but we've got some

539
00:24:29,340 --> 00:24:26,769
lesser-known people and some some local

540
00:24:31,769 --> 00:24:29,350
professors and at colleges and such that

541
00:24:34,169 --> 00:24:31,779
were starting to reach out to to get

542
00:24:37,259 --> 00:24:34,179
some some decent quality speakers and

543
00:24:39,629 --> 00:24:37,269
and just that in expanding the group

544
00:24:42,509 --> 00:24:39,639
who've been getting more people involved

545
00:24:45,690 --> 00:24:42,519
and and just getting ourselves out there

546
00:24:48,479 --> 00:24:45,700
and and the other big thing is probably

547
00:24:51,180 --> 00:24:48,489
media attention we did have a small

548
00:24:52,919 --> 00:24:51,190
piece in a statewide paper when we did

549
00:24:55,049 --> 00:24:52,929
our haunted an investigation I'd like to

550
00:24:59,220 --> 00:24:55,059
get more of that I was actually reached

551
00:25:02,940 --> 00:24:59,230
out to today by local city paper to

552
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:02,950
start writing for for them and I'd like

553
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:05,279
to get more opportunities like that

554
00:25:10,169 --> 00:25:07,809
that's exciting that's exciting because

555
00:25:12,269 --> 00:25:10,179
the more the more you can get your name

556
00:25:15,229 --> 00:25:12,279
out there and the more you can become a

557
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,239
contact for the media I think the more

558
00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:17,679
important that is or that will come very

559
00:25:22,169 --> 00:25:19,929
important in the future and I was going

560
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:22,179
to ask you what what media reaction

561
00:25:28,590 --> 00:25:26,559
you've had to your to your group um well

562
00:25:31,109 --> 00:25:28,600
the only thing so far like I said was

563
00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:31,119
that article that they did during the

564
00:25:36,629 --> 00:25:33,609
haunting investigation it was a very

565
00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:36,639
simple article is basically 10 questions

566
00:25:40,619 --> 00:25:37,929
or something like that I forget exactly

567
00:25:42,749 --> 00:25:40,629
what it was called but the reaction I

568
00:25:46,349 --> 00:25:42,759
get to that from the skeptical community

569
00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:46,359
was very positive and from the since it

570
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:48,609
was a ghost hunting thing the ghost

571
00:25:52,110 --> 00:25:51,279
community ghost supporters will call

572
00:25:55,260 --> 00:25:52,120
them community

573
00:25:58,020 --> 00:25:55,270
it was very interesting I got a lot of

574
00:26:00,750 --> 00:25:58,030
pushback on the comment section of the

575
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:00,760
online version of the story and they

576
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,330
were they're really pushing me and and

577
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,880
trying to trip me up and they were like

578
00:26:09,630 --> 00:26:08,320
oh well what about this and what about

579
00:26:11,490 --> 00:26:09,640
this and they were shot and they were

580
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:11,500
sending me links to these pictures which

581
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:13,570
were on the horrible horrible orb

582
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:15,730
pictures and they were like oh you have

583
00:26:19,890 --> 00:26:17,770
to go out with this one guy cuz he sees

584
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:19,900
stuff although I'm go with him you'll

585
00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:22,930
see stuff so that those it was mostly

586
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:26,110
that but but I kind of let that stuff go

587
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:28,210
by the wayside and just focus on the

588
00:26:32,670 --> 00:26:31,600
positive that's great yes I most

589
00:26:34,110 --> 00:26:32,680
certainly know where you're coming from

590
00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:34,120
when you when you say you're getting

591
00:26:41,070 --> 00:26:37,230
letters and comments like that ah now

592
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,080
I'm very keen to keep supporting the

593
00:26:45,150 --> 00:26:42,880
ground state skeptics because I love my

594
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:45,160
love people who get out there and use

595
00:26:50,850 --> 00:26:48,370
their own initiative and don't wait for

596
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:50,860
other people to to do things for them as

597
00:26:55,890 --> 00:26:52,810
you're obviously doing which is

598
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:55,900
fantastic how can people find out more

599
00:27:00,530 --> 00:26:57,730
about the Granite State skeptics and

600
00:27:05,730 --> 00:27:00,540
support you they can go to our website

601
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:05,740
Granite State skeptics org and come to

602
00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:07,930
our meetings usually we have our

603
00:27:12,090 --> 00:27:09,550
meetings the second monday of the month

604
00:27:14,970 --> 00:27:12,100
in Manchester New Hampshire the full

605
00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:14,980
details are on the website other than

606
00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:19,030
that you know just shoot us email strood

607
00:27:23,010 --> 00:27:21,310
us and I am I let us know you're you're

608
00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:23,020
listening to what we're doing and and

609
00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:24,820
that's about it that's the that's the

610
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:26,740
best we can hope for come up and say hi

611
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:30,250
to us at am either in Vegas or down in

612
00:27:34,170 --> 00:27:32,710
Australia we really appreciate it we're

613
00:27:36,450 --> 00:27:34,180
going to have stuff to hand out while

614
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:36,460
we're there so we're really looking

615
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:39,490
forward to it that's it everybody if

616
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:42,130
you're in that New Hampshire area or the

617
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:44,290
New England area make the trip or drop

618
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:47,530
travis a line have a chat with him he's

619
00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:49,450
a great bloke as we say in australia and

620
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,030
a good skeptic and one of those people

621
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:54,880
who are really helping it at the the

622
00:28:00,720 --> 00:27:57,520
vital the vital level the grass roots

623
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:00,730
level so thank you to Travis and thank

624
00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:02,710
you to Dale and we'll see you very soon

625
00:28:18,540 --> 00:28:16,320
this is des Rochelle hosted skeptically

626
00:28:20,910 --> 00:28:18,550
speaking check out our website at

627
00:28:24,810 --> 00:28:20,920
skeptically speaking calm and listen to

628
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:24,820
us live on CJ SR 88.5 FM in Edmonton

629
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:28,570
Alberta Canada I now return you to the

630
00:28:41,460 --> 00:28:34,930
skeptic zone join us now for drinking

631
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:41,470
skeptically in the think tank at the

632
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:43,090
right now hurry to your land sneak in

633
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:45,970
the bus campaign cheers cheers Cheers

634
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:49,330
may not hello it's great to be here the

635
00:28:54,450 --> 00:28:52,210
drunk tank so much about it and its

636
00:28:57,450 --> 00:28:54,460
original venue was the Oxford tavern the

637
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,460
topless venue but it's been changed due

638
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:59,440
to medical advice medical advice I

639
00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:00,640
believe so because I've been doing a

640
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:02,200
study there is to see if any women go to

641
00:29:07,050 --> 00:29:05,110
that tavern and on the 87 investigations

642
00:29:08,730 --> 00:29:07,060
oh man yes so far there have been no

643
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:08,740
other women there but yeah I will

644
00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:10,930
continue my Trek it's a bit of a quiet

645
00:29:15,390 --> 00:29:13,270
thing tanker this week we found a new

646
00:29:17,670 --> 00:29:15,400
room here at our favorite club down the

647
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:17,680
street heavenly dr. H we have it's very

648
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:19,930
busy out the front tonight lots of

649
00:29:23,610 --> 00:29:21,370
people running around and making too

650
00:29:26,490 --> 00:29:23,620
much noise so we've literally come to

651
00:29:28,140 --> 00:29:26,500
the bowels of the club Richard which is

652
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:28,150
usually where they have lifestyle

653
00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:31,360
classes whatever that means so yeah well

654
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:33,100
they're like lifestyle condoms except

655
00:29:38,580 --> 00:29:36,910
it's for classes or it could be that I

656
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:38,590
don't know but I'm glad I would of

657
00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:40,570
course Maynard our special guest night

658
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:42,340
in the drunk tank now I must say I

659
00:29:47,070 --> 00:29:44,650
didn't pay attention at school I left at

660
00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:47,080
the end of you 11 I have no training in

661
00:29:51,210 --> 00:29:49,240
everything anything I only went to

662
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:51,220
Stan's bar briefly at the University of

663
00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:53,410
Newcastle and that's it so I'll try not

664
00:29:59,020 --> 00:29:55,900
to say too much that is under education

665
00:30:01,000 --> 00:29:59,030
ille it's good enough for us

666
00:30:04,660 --> 00:30:01,010
that's good enough for us and of course

667
00:30:06,940 --> 00:30:04,670
dr. HD thank you again thank you for

668
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:06,950
coming along coming along yes actually

669
00:30:10,030 --> 00:30:08,210
I've just noticed sorry I was distracted

670
00:30:11,950 --> 00:30:10,040
earlier because I just noticed as

671
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:11,960
Maynard was giving us his qualifications

672
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:13,850
yeah but he's wearing a shorty awards

673
00:30:19,420 --> 00:30:16,970
brooch on his denim jacket because i am

674
00:30:21,340 --> 00:30:19,430
very good that's the one I gave you at

675
00:30:23,140 --> 00:30:21,350
skeptics in the pub plus my its career

676
00:30:24,550 --> 00:30:23,150
and let me tell you skeptics in the pub

677
00:30:25,930 --> 00:30:24,560
is a pretty wild thing if you haven't

678
00:30:28,330 --> 00:30:25,940
got along to it you're really being a

679
00:30:30,190 --> 00:30:28,340
fool yourself in a burden to others by

680
00:30:33,250 --> 00:30:30,200
the way after my appearance on skipping

681
00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:33,260
zone while ago I was a called a token

682
00:30:37,030 --> 00:30:35,270
skeptic and a closet skeptic and I do

683
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:37,040
accept that because I enjoy the world of

684
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:39,290
woo to you guys do you guys think things

685
00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:40,130
through a lot i don't always think

686
00:30:43,930 --> 00:30:42,440
things through a lot so I'm off I'm

687
00:30:45,670 --> 00:30:43,940
often sucked in by stuff but I love

688
00:30:48,190 --> 00:30:45,680
being sucked in I think there are a lot

689
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,200
of closet skeptics out there just

690
00:30:51,910 --> 00:30:50,240
waiting to burst out it depends what you

691
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:51,920
mean by a closet skeptic I suppose

692
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:54,530
because we find with our experience many

693
00:30:58,660 --> 00:30:56,930
people once they discover what

694
00:31:00,880 --> 00:30:58,670
skepticism is about they find there's a

695
00:31:03,130 --> 00:31:00,890
name for how they feel and how they

696
00:31:04,540 --> 00:31:03,140
think and that's when they identify

697
00:31:07,540 --> 00:31:04,550
themselves as a skeptic but prior to

698
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:07,550
that they have the same sort of ideas as

699
00:31:11,260 --> 00:31:09,770
The Skeptical community without actually

700
00:31:13,810 --> 00:31:11,270
knowing there's a name for it don't they

701
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:13,820
they do they do and they often have the

702
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:15,770
wrong impression of organized skepticism

703
00:31:20,530 --> 00:31:18,770
hmm I met a guy the other night who said

704
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:20,540
i don't like that james randi he just

705
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:22,010
wants he doesn't he doesn't want to

706
00:31:26,110 --> 00:31:24,080
believe anything and I put him right I

707
00:31:27,670 --> 00:31:26,120
said no that's not the case at all well

708
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:27,680
some skeptics have a reputation as being

709
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,530
big party poopers like it like if

710
00:31:33,910 --> 00:31:32,240
everyone's believing in magic and you go

711
00:31:35,710 --> 00:31:33,920
up and go on I can see how the rabbit

712
00:31:37,030 --> 00:31:35,720
comes out of the Hat that's what's of

713
00:31:39,220 --> 00:31:37,040
fun in that you see and some people

714
00:31:41,470 --> 00:31:39,230
think skeptics or that but you know what

715
00:31:43,390 --> 00:31:41,480
actually one of my very first

716
00:31:46,990 --> 00:31:43,400
introductions to skepticism Maynard was

717
00:31:50,650 --> 00:31:47,000
magic at a skeptics convention and magic

718
00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:50,660
is so much fun even if you know that you

719
00:31:55,270 --> 00:31:52,550
are being tricked and then it is a trick

720
00:31:57,910 --> 00:31:55,280
it's still fantastic it's still great to

721
00:32:00,160 --> 00:31:57,920
see the skill of someone being able to

722
00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:00,170
trick you and particularly when you

723
00:32:03,250 --> 00:32:02,030
think you know how it works and you

724
00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:03,260
still get tricked I think it's even

725
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:04,260
better

726
00:32:07,460 --> 00:32:05,820
yeah well I think my favorite magicians

727
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:07,470
in the world I think many skeptics would

728
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:08,850
agree would have to be Penn and Teller

729
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:12,210
mmm yep I do enjoy the stuff they do and

730
00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:14,610
a lot of people might not agree with

731
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:16,590
love the attitudes I put out on this

732
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:18,090
show [\h__\h] they're certainly being

733
00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:21,410
skeptical about something on that series

734
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:24,840
to say the least now i have a few little

735
00:32:30,020 --> 00:32:28,080
notes to get through i'm happy to get

736
00:32:31,940 --> 00:32:30,030
through these notes I'd like to give a

737
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:31,950
few shoutouts actually before we get

738
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:34,530
stuck into the into the drunk tank the

739
00:32:39,380 --> 00:32:37,170
think tank a drunk tank we've got all we

740
00:32:42,650 --> 00:32:39,390
had a bubble okay so can I just say yes

741
00:32:45,260 --> 00:32:42,660
I was you were the one that came up with

742
00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:45,270
there then the main culture the drunk

743
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:46,980
tank may not and when I interviewed you

744
00:32:49,820 --> 00:32:48,690
for the skeptics on a few weeks ago well

745
00:32:52,450 --> 00:32:49,830
then of course I listened to one and

746
00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:52,460
that's the first thing that came to mind

747
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:55,260
but somebody now thinks that Brian

748
00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:57,930
Dunning's skep tide is something to do

749
00:33:02,000 --> 00:32:59,820
with a drunk tank because he has the hot

750
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:02,010
tub of truth so you may have confused a

751
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:03,720
few people can you please clarify that

752
00:33:08,270 --> 00:33:06,690
yes look brian dunning is not within a

753
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:08,280
hundred miles of year it's true

754
00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:09,720
otherwise we would hear the bubbles

755
00:33:13,940 --> 00:33:12,360
going in the spa as we spoke so it's

756
00:33:15,530 --> 00:33:13,950
nowhere near here and look he's just a

757
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:15,540
well he's a fellow traveler and look I'm

758
00:33:20,660 --> 00:33:18,990
look I am in constant contact with Brian

759
00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:20,670
he never takes a shower without ringing

760
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:26,340
me first and look I actually actually

761
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:29,370
put Brian on to the big guy UFO flap

762
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:30,930
that's going on here this week in

763
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:32,310
Australia and people all over the world

764
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:34,050
might not have hauled heard of the

765
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:36,330
Westall high school incident that

766
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:39,240
happened in 1966 now me being like a

767
00:33:42,830 --> 00:33:41,310
token skeptic I I would like to believe

768
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:42,840
that there was something going on there

769
00:33:46,790 --> 00:33:45,450
and friends of mine who are you follow

770
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,800
just believed there was something going

771
00:33:51,140 --> 00:33:49,200
on there but brian has conclusively

772
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:51,150
proven that there probably wasn't and

773
00:33:54,170 --> 00:33:52,650
everyone else at this table things that

774
00:33:56,390 --> 00:33:54,180
was probably just a bit of a mass

775
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:56,400
hallucination or thank you were on one

776
00:34:00,410 --> 00:33:57,930
of our major television networks I

777
00:34:02,270 --> 00:34:00,420
earlier this evening or last night

778
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:02,280
actually most like today tonight I was

779
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:05,820
on channel 7 commenting about this UFO

780
00:34:11,060 --> 00:34:09,330
incident 1966 and I'm very glad that I

781
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:11,070
listened to the sceptile interview just

782
00:34:13,940 --> 00:34:12,899
the day before well because I pass this

783
00:34:15,649 --> 00:34:13,950
on to Branagh thought looking

784
00:34:17,540 --> 00:34:15,659
this is a perfect skip toyed episode I

785
00:34:19,579 --> 00:34:17,550
let Brian Dunning know about that to do

786
00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:19,589
a skip tight on it and he did it fairly

787
00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:21,720
comprehensive why he hasn't seen the doc

788
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:23,070
oh I imagine he'd probably be able to do

789
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:25,290
some further research on that but he

790
00:34:28,010 --> 00:34:26,730
thought that it was just there's a lot

791
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:28,020
of big question marks there and he

792
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:29,369
didn't find those question marks very

793
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:31,649
interesting this is dinky I think for

794
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:33,810
some of our listeners from overseas they

795
00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:34,950
might not know anything about this

796
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,780
incident so mando can you fill us in on

797
00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:38,879
what happened I'm not pretending to be a

798
00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:40,379
big expert on this but basically the

799
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,899
facts of the matter appear to be that a

800
00:34:48,740 --> 00:34:44,639
group of children saw something flying

801
00:34:52,819 --> 00:34:48,750
over Westall high school on the 6th of

802
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:52,829
april i believe it was 1966 yes and it

803
00:35:02,450 --> 00:34:54,810
is a second the sixth of april nineteen

804
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:02,460
sixty six six six um okay and it appear

805
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:05,010
to land in the field and various reports

806
00:35:09,530 --> 00:35:07,740
after that look what one report was of

807
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:09,540
the army turned up as soon as 20 minutes

808
00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:11,880
after the event now if that is actually

809
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:13,740
true that is fairly unique in Australian

810
00:35:17,540 --> 00:35:15,180
history for the army to turn up that

811
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,550
fast anywhere if you if you rang that if

812
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:19,440
you bring a taxi in west wall you

813
00:35:22,819 --> 00:35:20,910
probably couldn't get one that passed so

814
00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:22,829
so if that actually happened that means

815
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:24,270
the armor did have some interest in it

816
00:35:28,010 --> 00:35:25,890
but there is debate as to whether that

817
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:28,020
actually happened on here we are talking

818
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:33,930
what 42 years ago 44 44 44 years ago so

819
00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:36,780
are we basing the recollections of this

820
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:39,000
incident that you just alluded to the

821
00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:41,609
fact that you are on television to talk

822
00:35:46,220 --> 00:35:43,800
about it Richard are we basing this on

823
00:35:47,809 --> 00:35:46,230
published evidence or are we basing this

824
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:47,819
on people's memories from people's

825
00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:50,940
memories well let me let me now be not a

826
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:53,160
skeptic with a bit of a cynic there's a

827
00:35:57,380 --> 00:35:55,050
documentary being shown tonight on the

828
00:35:59,569 --> 00:35:57,390
sci-fi channel it's just hype to promote

829
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,579
the documentary it really is it's not

830
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,920
that interesting a story there are a lot

831
00:36:06,860 --> 00:36:03,839
of people at the time school kids who

832
00:36:08,930 --> 00:36:06,870
are now grown up who

833
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:08,940
confused don't know what they saw at the

834
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:11,370
time someone's egged them alone for the

835
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:15,810
documentary it's look I i hearken back

836
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:17,400
to another documentary which all the

837
00:36:20,660 --> 00:36:18,930
skeptics are going to make a big poo poo

838
00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:20,670
noise which which I've also seen as well

839
00:36:28,820 --> 00:36:24,270
and cool I know what I saw okay now I

840
00:36:30,740 --> 00:36:28,830
know everyone's going to go yet but but

841
00:36:32,330 --> 00:36:30,750
occasionally people see things that they

842
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:32,340
don't understand and sure it's a big

843
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:34,050
leap to say okay that's a flying source

844
00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:37,290
or something from outer space but you've

845
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:38,790
got to accept people's words that they

846
00:36:42,620 --> 00:36:40,380
think they saw something sometimes I

847
00:36:46,090 --> 00:36:42,630
agree yes we're not saying suggesting

848
00:36:49,460 --> 00:36:46,100
for one moment that people are aligned

849
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:49,470
people really sincerely think they saw X

850
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:52,800
Y or Z but as as one of the great things

851
00:36:57,860 --> 00:36:54,570
about being a skeptic is that you learn

852
00:37:02,420 --> 00:36:57,870
is not to trust your memories or your

853
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:02,430
eyes it's not so it's you can't put that

854
00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:04,260
up the scientific evidence you might be

855
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:06,390
wrong and simple is that you might be

856
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:08,700
wrong and so the big problem is that in

857
00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:10,950
this West all there's not much to

858
00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:13,470
actually test in this sighting no no

859
00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:16,470
lots of memories hmm but when does it

860
00:37:20,060 --> 00:37:17,820
get to a point where enough people have

861
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:20,070
seen something for it to perhaps go into

862
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:21,960
the realm of perhaps at it doesn't it

863
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:24,030
doesn't know one person if one person

864
00:37:28,940 --> 00:37:25,680
would be wrong a thousand people can be

865
00:37:30,830 --> 00:37:28,950
wrong if 400 people apparently saw how

866
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,840
many people well I can get the dinosaurs

867
00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:32,880
been exaggerated now right it's now up

868
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:34,920
to hundreds of people saw this alleged

869
00:37:42,020 --> 00:37:39,420
UFO if that many people saw it and it

870
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,030
apparently left indentations in grass or

871
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:43,680
something right why isn't there any

872
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:46,170
evidence why didn't aliens walk out or

873
00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:48,330
why didn't they leave some kind of and

874
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:50,280
why chemical that we are not familiar

875
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:53,640
with on earth or even in 1966 I thought

876
00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:56,850
someone might have had a camera yeah no

877
00:38:00,440 --> 00:37:58,740
well today of course every I've got

878
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,450
three on me at the moment you know on a

879
00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:02,400
phone or whatever the case maybe I've

880
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:05,670
got I've got a high-definition video

881
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:07,890
camera in my pocket yeah hurry your

882
00:38:13,820 --> 00:38:09,780
ramen with me but the thing is I Richard

883
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:13,830
even that doesn't it doesn't I mean we

884
00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:16,050
talked about this on 2 GB radio a couple

885
00:38:19,820 --> 00:38:18,180
of weeks ago I was with dr. Chrissy

886
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:19,830
Wilson who's a reporter on the zone

887
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:22,680
and there was a sighting of a UFO in a

888
00:38:26,570 --> 00:38:24,300
suburb of Sydney oh yeah and they're

889
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:26,580
worth photographs of a UFO and it was a

890
00:38:31,340 --> 00:38:29,310
UFO it was an it had been taken from the

891
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:31,350
car they shot seven but yes that's right

892
00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:33,690
yeah and it was a nun literally it was

893
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,150
an unidentified flying object because it

894
00:38:41,330 --> 00:38:37,920
was a spot in the middle of a photograph

895
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:41,340
of this of the sunset now this lady's

896
00:38:49,180 --> 00:38:43,710
interpretation was it's an alien ship

897
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:49,190
from booboo goober look my favorite one

898
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:53,610
no it's not a planet we know yet but

899
00:38:57,110 --> 00:38:55,770
look at the no it was time coded and

900
00:38:58,700 --> 00:38:57,120
they were there were a number of shots

901
00:39:01,280 --> 00:38:58,710
so whatever it was it did travel across

902
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:01,290
the the field of view there so there was

903
00:39:04,610 --> 00:39:02,910
something there the camera case I

904
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:04,620
absolutely agree with you may know but

905
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:06,330
if you looked at the photograph I don't

906
00:39:09,940 --> 00:39:07,770
know if you've actually seen it but if

907
00:39:12,590 --> 00:39:09,950
you look at the scale of how big this

908
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:12,600
object would be if you scale it up

909
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:14,310
compared because the shot was a

910
00:39:19,610 --> 00:39:16,980
landscape shot with the road some trees

911
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:19,620
and the street light and a streetlight

912
00:39:24,650 --> 00:39:21,420
yeah if you scaled it up it would have

913
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:24,660
been as big as one of those alien craft

914
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:26,280
that you might see an Independence Day

915
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:28,920
or a blimp at least a blimp yeah huge

916
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:31,890
huge scale massive must think somebody

917
00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:34,200
would say well how did only one person

918
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,430
manage to see that one person at sunset

919
00:39:42,830 --> 00:39:40,800
which is piqued our time when everyone's

920
00:39:45,110 --> 00:39:42,840
driving everyone's going home and she

921
00:39:47,420 --> 00:39:45,120
was 10 and person managed to take that

922
00:39:51,350 --> 00:39:47,430
photograph look I'm trying to sit on the

923
00:39:53,540 --> 00:39:51,360
fence because I'm it is a skeptics

924
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:53,550
podcast I don't want to say well okay

925
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:55,290
well maybe if we're looking at some

926
00:39:59,780 --> 00:39:58,410
interdimensional thing here maybe not

927
00:40:02,060 --> 00:39:59,790
everyone can see everything from one

928
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:02,070
angle for let's pull something out of

929
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:04,650
sci-fi a cloaking device can

930
00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:11,520
occasionally be seen yes I think it's

931
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:13,260
the first time cloaking device being

932
00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:14,850
used on the skeptics I think you're

933
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,990
right except in reference to Harry

934
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,760
Potter yes sir now you having Potter

935
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:19,440
said it was great well Maynard you've

936
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:22,920
opened her eyes and uncloaked us but can

937
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:25,380
I just say I don't just because this is

938
00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:26,910
a skeptical podcast doesn't mean we

939
00:40:32,359 --> 00:40:30,230
don't entertain ideas of UF ology or

940
00:40:34,489 --> 00:40:32,369
cryptozoology or the only

941
00:40:36,859 --> 00:40:34,499
Blaine we do and that's what we love to

942
00:40:38,989 --> 00:40:36,869
do that's what we do for you know

943
00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:38,999
investigations as people write to us and

944
00:40:43,579 --> 00:40:41,339
say I have an alien growing out of my

945
00:40:45,049 --> 00:40:43,589
head I can demonstrate that to you and

946
00:40:46,430 --> 00:40:45,059
we go and visit them and if there is no

947
00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:46,440
alien growing out of their head then

948
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,180
we'd say you might have a cloaking

949
00:40:54,529 --> 00:40:50,640
device this is unknown to science or

950
00:40:56,900 --> 00:40:54,539
humans yet but well we actually spoke to

951
00:40:59,779 --> 00:40:56,910
somebody once who without giving any

952
00:41:03,859 --> 00:40:59,789
names of course who had entities growing

953
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:03,869
out of his legs oh yay oh really that's

954
00:41:07,609 --> 00:41:05,609
another story but let me give me

955
00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:07,619
backtrack a little bit let me just

956
00:41:12,859 --> 00:41:10,470
mention a few things and we can talk

957
00:41:14,589 --> 00:41:12,869
about that get us off track he did I'm

958
00:41:18,289 --> 00:41:14,599
sorry I'm trying to shut up over here

959
00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:18,299
I'm a troublemaker I mean look at anyone

960
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:19,710
who's been to my website that's Maynard

961
00:41:24,829 --> 00:41:21,690
com that I Google's notice and Dave that

962
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:24,839
he's here he is all right I must give a

963
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:27,599
big shout-out to Karl Larson from

964
00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:29,849
Chicago who wrote to me saying that he

965
00:41:37,069 --> 00:41:32,670
was involved in a race a foot race

966
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,079
called the soldier field 10 race which

967
00:41:41,809 --> 00:41:38,880
he took part in and had a good time

968
00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:41,819
apparently but he was sad to see that

969
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:44,430
power balance power balance the old

970
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:46,650
applied kinesiology people with their

971
00:41:50,299 --> 00:41:48,450
magic wristband of the holograph had us

972
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,309
was a sponsor and apparently had a stand

973
00:41:55,099 --> 00:41:52,319
there and was doing the tests the

974
00:41:57,579 --> 00:41:55,109
skeptic zone views would know was the

975
00:42:00,289 --> 00:41:57,589
subject of our video just recently and

976
00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:00,299
he was quite dismayed to see this and he

977
00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:03,950
wrote to the organizers expressing his

978
00:42:08,779 --> 00:42:06,900
unhappy state disappointment disappoints

979
00:42:11,420 --> 00:42:08,789
the word you left ought i was looking

980
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,430
for so thank you call and thank you for

981
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:12,960
taking the trouble to write to those

982
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:15,690
people and speaking of your implied

983
00:42:23,329 --> 00:42:21,450
effect what because you know like

984
00:42:26,089 --> 00:42:23,339
immediately it's implied it might

985
00:42:28,220 --> 00:42:26,099
actually not be happening um applied

986
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:28,230
kinesiology which I have trouble saying

987
00:42:32,089 --> 00:42:29,700
like I said I just went to the ndu 11 um

988
00:42:34,009 --> 00:42:32,099
there's a comment on that video on

989
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:34,019
YouTube which is which I just love which

990
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:36,250
was only only got put in an hour

991
00:42:42,510 --> 00:42:38,770
as we are doing this by a viewer called

992
00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:42,520
burp wind and our wind good morning

993
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:44,860
dreaming good day burp wind Burke wind

994
00:42:48,330 --> 00:42:46,930
wrote hilariously good video you should

995
00:42:50,010 --> 00:42:48,340
have got some everyday Joe's on the

996
00:42:53,490 --> 00:42:50,020
street to do this just for shits and

997
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:53,500
giggles yeah that phrase would indicate

998
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:55,690
that this person least has a master's

999
00:43:01,860 --> 00:42:58,960
degree and that their English as well as

1000
00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:01,870
yeah and you guys and girls made my day

1001
00:43:05,550 --> 00:43:03,790
thanks that's from burp wins thank you

1002
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:05,560
burp wind we're glad you enjoyed their

1003
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:06,640
video although it's pretty good too i

1004
00:43:10,290 --> 00:43:08,830
thought dr. a she look great particular

1005
00:43:13,050 --> 00:43:10,300
scene shot with her at the ponds

1006
00:43:15,060 --> 00:43:13,060
institute yes absolutely yes i know that

1007
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:15,070
despite what i tell listeners I do

1008
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:17,310
actually work at the ponds to institute

1009
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:21,310
another shout-out listener Robert Wilson

1010
00:43:25,350 --> 00:43:24,010
has reminded me that there is a great

1011
00:43:27,150 --> 00:43:25,360
publication from the Australian

1012
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:27,160
Government the Australian Government

1013
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:30,450
called the little black book of scams

1014
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:33,670
book of scams it's the free download if

1015
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:36,490
listeners just Google black book of

1016
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,770
scams you'll find it and it just goes

1017
00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:40,960
through money scams and it's even got a

1018
00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:43,840
section on psychic scams voyance yeah

1019
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:46,420
absolutely so is it a list of people

1020
00:43:49,830 --> 00:43:48,010
that are perpetrating scams wasn't as

1021
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:49,840
the way they do in a way they do it what

1022
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:52,210
to look out for if do your approach by

1023
00:43:55,710 --> 00:43:53,740
this or you see this or you get this

1024
00:43:58,770 --> 00:43:55,720
sort of e mail this letter it may be a

1025
00:44:02,040 --> 00:43:58,780
scam little black book of scams we go on

1026
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,050
I'm thank you to listener in Fagan for

1027
00:44:06,930 --> 00:44:04,000
writing and sharing his thoughts with me

1028
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:06,940
thank you very much a note from our

1029
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:09,490
friend kylie who reminds me that our

1030
00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:11,290
good friend dr. chrissy from the skeptic

1031
00:44:15,330 --> 00:44:13,480
zone will be speaking at london skeptics

1032
00:44:18,450 --> 00:44:15,340
in the pub on the eighth of this month

1033
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,460
at 7pm and listeners in london can go to

1034
00:44:24,750 --> 00:44:21,040
the website HTTP colon slash slash

1035
00:44:26,850 --> 00:44:24,760
london dot skeptics in the pub org and

1036
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:26,860
chrissy will be talking about her

1037
00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:30,370
adventures in australia we'll see ya who

1038
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,080
should be naming names and I machine

1039
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,240
will be shaming people well I think so

1040
00:44:41,310 --> 00:44:36,880
so that that's worth going to listeners

1041
00:44:43,230 --> 00:44:41,320
in London and finally David Willetts is

1042
00:44:44,049 --> 00:44:43,240
written to me with an interesting story

1043
00:44:47,549 --> 00:44:44,059
in which certain

1044
00:44:52,029 --> 00:44:47,559
dr. rage he was across about a

1045
00:44:54,429 --> 00:44:52,039
clairvoyant called Laurel Trickett from

1046
00:44:56,829 --> 00:44:54,439
the Central Coast just north of yeah I

1047
00:44:59,579 --> 00:44:56,839
know I know yeah my mama loosely to this

1048
00:45:02,109 --> 00:44:59,589
second your mum yeah your mum now Laurel

1049
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:02,119
The Daily Telegraph newspaper did a

1050
00:45:05,410 --> 00:45:03,650
story with her where they took it to a

1051
00:45:07,959 --> 00:45:05,420
cemetery they gave her a list of names

1052
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,969
and magically with her divining rod she

1053
00:45:11,979 --> 00:45:09,680
went to the gravestones of these names

1054
00:45:14,109 --> 00:45:11,989
of course we don't have because she can

1055
00:45:15,999 --> 00:45:14,119
read and she looked for the gravestones

1056
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:16,009
I think that could be something to do

1057
00:45:20,670 --> 00:45:17,689
with it and we don't know how we're set

1058
00:45:24,099 --> 00:45:20,680
up although judging by the video the

1059
00:45:26,799 --> 00:45:24,109
reporters didn't randomly choose the

1060
00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:26,809
gravestones which is a big mistake they

1061
00:45:30,370 --> 00:45:28,670
went said I will use this one and will

1062
00:45:33,989 --> 00:45:30,380
trigger and will use it no forget it

1063
00:45:36,969 --> 00:45:33,999
that's a really crap way to do it anyway

1064
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:36,979
next thing you know they're taking her

1065
00:45:44,049 --> 00:45:41,839
out to the outback to look for a the

1066
00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:44,059
body of a British tourist called Peter

1067
00:45:49,029 --> 00:45:46,910
Falcone oh yeah now Richard this was a

1068
00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:49,039
very famous case in Australia and you're

1069
00:45:52,660 --> 00:45:50,390
familiar with this because it was

1070
00:45:55,989 --> 00:45:52,670
covered on the one the search for

1071
00:46:01,150 --> 00:45:55,999
Australia's most yes whatever psyche you

1072
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:01,160
insert curse word here now for listeners

1073
00:46:04,989 --> 00:46:03,170
who don't remember Peter Falcone Oh was

1074
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,999
a backpacker who came to Australia a

1075
00:46:08,589 --> 00:46:06,640
number of years ago and was driving

1076
00:46:10,329 --> 00:46:08,599
through the middle of the Northern

1077
00:46:13,959 --> 00:46:10,339
Territory on the stuart highway which is

1078
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:13,969
the main road to darwin from Alice

1079
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:18,410
Springs and he was accosted by some one

1080
00:46:23,469 --> 00:46:21,170
halfway across and he was subsequently

1081
00:46:25,689 --> 00:46:23,479
murdered and his girlfriend was it was

1082
00:46:28,059 --> 00:46:25,699
bound was bound and she escaped she

1083
00:46:32,140 --> 00:46:28,069
escaped great amazing story yeah it's

1084
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:32,150
her name's Joanne Lee's and there has

1085
00:46:36,789 --> 00:46:34,880
been a man arrested and charged for and

1086
00:46:39,099 --> 00:46:36,799
sentenced and sentence I kind of his

1087
00:46:41,169 --> 00:46:39,109
name Bradley Murdoch was Bradley Murdoch

1088
00:46:44,589 --> 00:46:41,179
yeah yeah but he's never revealed where

1089
00:46:46,569 --> 00:46:44,599
he left the body yeah so of course these

1090
00:46:48,339 --> 00:46:46,579
leaves the floodgates open to psychics

1091
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:48,349
to say well I know where the body is I'm

1092
00:46:52,450 --> 00:46:50,329
going to find the body which is what you

1093
00:46:53,980 --> 00:46:52,460
found when you were doing the one right

1094
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,990
when I was doing this program the one

1095
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,520
one of the challenges set for the

1096
00:46:58,510 --> 00:46:56,960
contestants the so-called psychic

1097
00:47:00,579 --> 00:46:58,520
contestants was they flew them out to

1098
00:47:02,980 --> 00:47:00,589
the area to look for the body of Peter

1099
00:47:07,060 --> 00:47:02,990
and Peter Falcone oh which I must admit

1100
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:07,070
that I and my fellow judge Stacy we 30

1101
00:47:10,329 --> 00:47:08,810
DeMarco Lana we both found that in

1102
00:47:12,250 --> 00:47:10,339
pretty bad taste it was an unfortunate

1103
00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:12,260
thing that they do that at least the

1104
00:47:15,970 --> 00:47:14,030
producers gave me the opportunity on the

1105
00:47:18,010 --> 00:47:15,980
show and which went to air to say that

1106
00:47:20,260 --> 00:47:18,020
this was not a good thing and like it

1107
00:47:22,990 --> 00:47:20,270
shouldn't be used in this aspect however

1108
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,000
the body has not been found and it is an

1109
00:47:26,890 --> 00:47:25,040
open door for psychics all around the

1110
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:26,900
place to say I've I know where he is I

1111
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:29,359
know I've met one who said to me he's

1112
00:47:33,180 --> 00:47:31,369
buried in this place you know and he or

1113
00:47:35,410 --> 00:47:33,190
he was fed to the pigs I think she said

1114
00:47:36,849 --> 00:47:35,420
so anyway it's been like an open

1115
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:36,859
invitation for psychics all around the

1116
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,050
place to say I know where this guy is I

1117
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,359
know where this case so they took this

1118
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,520
woman out is they took this woman out

1119
00:47:46,810 --> 00:47:45,440
Laurel Trickett to the outback and they

1120
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:46,820
spent days with her running around

1121
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,490
digging everywhere she didn't find a

1122
00:47:54,310 --> 00:47:52,160
thing and they even put it a test by

1123
00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:54,320
hiding bits of her jewelry around the

1124
00:47:59,620 --> 00:47:56,540
hotel this is what I find so interesting

1125
00:48:03,849 --> 00:47:59,630
about this story Richard she failed on

1126
00:48:06,820 --> 00:48:03,859
every possible opportunity about finding

1127
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,830
the bones a date of beautiful akhirnya

1128
00:48:10,810 --> 00:48:08,720
about finding the bones of Peter Falcone

1129
00:48:13,210 --> 00:48:10,820
oh but then they took her back to her

1130
00:48:15,220 --> 00:48:13,220
hotel room and she lost her way to her

1131
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,230
hotel room she couldn't find her and

1132
00:48:19,780 --> 00:48:17,839
find a hotel room yeah and then one of

1133
00:48:22,690 --> 00:48:19,790
the people that was doing the story had

1134
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:22,700
several of her items of things including

1135
00:48:28,930 --> 00:48:26,690
some rubies of some description and she

1136
00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:28,940
couldn't find those either and she

1137
00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:30,920
apparently eventually according to this

1138
00:48:35,410 --> 00:48:32,990
report when hysterical and said

1139
00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:35,420
someone's stolen my jewels and the

1140
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:37,369
person that was working on this project

1141
00:48:42,339 --> 00:48:40,010
said there in the garden over there in

1142
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,349
that garden particularly specifically

1143
00:48:45,790 --> 00:48:44,000
and she still couldn't find them even

1144
00:48:48,099 --> 00:48:45,800
when she knew which garden they were in

1145
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,109
and typical of these sort of people and

1146
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:50,720
I have every reason to believe from long

1147
00:48:53,290 --> 00:48:51,950
experience that Laura tricking is

1148
00:48:55,329 --> 00:48:53,300
sincere and she really believed she has

1149
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:55,339
magical powers she was using divining

1150
00:48:58,750 --> 00:48:56,570
rods to find these

1151
00:49:00,490 --> 00:48:58,760
yeah however when everything failed she

1152
00:49:01,810 --> 00:49:00,500
just simply blamed the other people

1153
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,820
around her for giving off negative

1154
00:49:05,260 --> 00:49:03,440
energy and tricking her and all the rest

1155
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:05,270
oh it's what these people normally do

1156
00:49:09,820 --> 00:49:07,130
yeah i'm interested in your opinion

1157
00:49:11,230 --> 00:49:09,830
about this may not look I even for The

1158
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:11,240
Daily Telegraph it seems like a strange

1159
00:49:15,850 --> 00:49:14,720
thing to do because look a few people

1160
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:15,860
got a nice trip up to the Northern

1161
00:49:21,220 --> 00:49:18,770
Territory out of it it is an interesting

1162
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:21,230
story to read whether you succeed it or

1163
00:49:24,490 --> 00:49:22,490
not there's going to be some interest in

1164
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:24,500
this I'm just surprised I didn't test a

1165
00:49:28,540 --> 00:49:25,850
little bit more before they left but

1166
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:28,550
still it's a story and and with that

1167
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,370
headline what was the headline again

1168
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:32,960
digging for Peter Falcone Oh a rod for

1169
00:49:36,130 --> 00:49:34,310
our own backs a lot of people are going

1170
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:36,140
to click and look on that so as far as

1171
00:49:41,890 --> 00:49:38,450
okay my copy quality quality journalism

1172
00:49:46,570 --> 00:49:41,900
but it is a story it is in your right

1173
00:49:48,730 --> 00:49:46,580
they the thing about reporters is and

1174
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:48,740
I'm not denigrating reporters here

1175
00:49:52,930 --> 00:49:51,200
because this is a general public what we

1176
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:52,940
do is a specialized thing they don't

1177
00:49:57,820 --> 00:49:55,370
know how to test a psychic clean people

1178
00:50:00,010 --> 00:49:57,830
aren't taught how to do this hmm and

1179
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:00,020
also and whether it's true or not people

1180
00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:01,310
are still going to be interested in

1181
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:03,710
reading about it so so and this woman it

1182
00:50:06,430 --> 00:50:04,910
might be interesting reading the story

1183
00:50:08,290 --> 00:50:06,440
here hearing about her personality about

1184
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:08,300
out about what she thought so there are

1185
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:10,160
other things that make that story worth

1186
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:12,530
reading it just maybe this story's worth

1187
00:50:16,420 --> 00:50:14,210
reading because it's a good it's a good

1188
00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:16,430
example of what happens when when these

1189
00:50:21,250 --> 00:50:17,990
people are taken out and given a real

1190
00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:21,260
serious test of their abilities yeah I I

1191
00:50:25,180 --> 00:50:23,390
disagree with you actually because I

1192
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:25,190
think there's a point with this

1193
00:50:30,010 --> 00:50:27,680
particular case as an example where so

1194
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:30,020
many people have done this before and I

1195
00:50:34,090 --> 00:50:31,280
think if you were the bought the

1196
00:50:36,850 --> 00:50:34,100
girlfriend of Peter Falcone Oh still in

1197
00:50:39,220 --> 00:50:36,860
the UK and the parents of him still with

1198
00:50:41,140 --> 00:50:39,230
no answers as to where his body is to me

1199
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:41,150
this is absolutely offensive that

1200
00:50:46,090 --> 00:50:43,310
someone who has deluded and as being

1201
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:46,100
entertained by journalists to go and

1202
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,050
look for the body of your loved one your

1203
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:50,240
boyfriend your son is absolutely

1204
00:50:53,770 --> 00:50:52,370
abhorrent to me and I think at some

1205
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:53,780
point as a journalist you have to have

1206
00:50:58,210 --> 00:50:56,930
an ethical level where you just say no

1207
00:50:59,890 --> 00:50:58,220
I'm not into anybody that's a good

1208
00:51:02,260 --> 00:50:59,900
question may not when does the ethics

1209
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:02,270
overruled the story well look at someone

1210
00:51:04,930 --> 00:51:03,650
who doesn't work as a real journalist

1211
00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:04,940
and when people confuse me as a

1212
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:06,440
journalist I get very upset because i'm

1213
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:07,850
not i'm just an entertainer

1214
00:51:11,230 --> 00:51:09,410
happens to say stuff from time to time

1215
00:51:12,310 --> 00:51:11,240
oh you know journalist i dunno

1216
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:12,320
journalists they work in the same

1217
00:51:17,580 --> 00:51:14,330
building as me and they drink a lot

1218
00:51:20,050 --> 00:51:17,590
harder than I do my god do they ever

1219
00:51:21,250 --> 00:51:20,060
James like that that they you're

1220
00:51:22,420 --> 00:51:21,260
supposed to check your facts you're

1221
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:22,430
supposed to make sure what's going on

1222
00:51:25,420 --> 00:51:23,690
there but i think we disappeared over

1223
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:25,430
the horizon a long time ago when you're

1224
00:51:29,050 --> 00:51:27,530
expecting a favorite of responsibility

1225
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,060
from commercial journalism in particular

1226
00:51:34,540 --> 00:51:31,520
figure right um because I mean you only

1227
00:51:37,450 --> 00:51:34,550
have to listen to I mean any commercial

1228
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,460
radio show and the news department is is

1229
00:51:41,860 --> 00:51:39,200
marginalized in pretty much all of them

1230
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:41,870
I mean you know even place like two gb I

1231
00:51:45,550 --> 00:51:44,090
mean it's it they call it rip and read

1232
00:51:46,930 --> 00:51:45,560
and a lot of that goes on you don't have

1233
00:51:48,550 --> 00:51:46,940
your exclusives anymore there's not the

1234
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,560
money for people to go out there and

1235
00:51:53,110 --> 00:51:50,720
investigate stuff themselves to the

1236
00:51:54,970 --> 00:51:53,120
degree they rip and read you mean rip

1237
00:51:57,340 --> 00:51:54,980
the story from somewhere gear from from

1238
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:57,350
from a AP or whatever yes and just sub

1239
00:52:00,160 --> 00:51:58,610
it for whatever you're doing and read it

1240
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,170
because often that's all you have time

1241
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,760
to do particularly if there's only one

1242
00:52:05,860 --> 00:52:03,680
or two people on duty at the time and

1243
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:05,870
you know so much they ask about a news

1244
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:08,570
bulletin well gb will do on every half

1245
00:52:11,350 --> 00:52:10,010
hour that's right i mean they're

1246
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:11,360
probably better resource than a lot of

1247
00:52:15,940 --> 00:52:14,090
commercial newsrooms but yeah i mean

1248
00:52:18,130 --> 00:52:15,950
like what's going on there is the

1249
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:18,140
content on the speakers on the air and

1250
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:19,130
they're the ones are going to be

1251
00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:20,480
breaking the stories and talking to

1252
00:52:24,490 --> 00:52:22,550
people on the phone the newsroom are

1253
00:52:26,590 --> 00:52:24,500
just going to be doing your basic stuff

1254
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:26,600
and look that they they do the job they

1255
00:52:30,550 --> 00:52:28,610
have to do but i just think your time

1256
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:30,560
pressure and your money pressure means

1257
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:32,330
that mistakes get made like this yeah

1258
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:34,370
absolutely agree and also look at the

1259
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:37,010
headline again you see his name people

1260
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:38,330
get all pretty Falcone what's going on

1261
00:52:42,850 --> 00:52:40,010
to me at people then people will will

1262
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:42,860
have a look at that page um it's it

1263
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:45,920
rhymes with the show i was on last night

1264
00:52:50,170 --> 00:52:47,810
today tonight they have a half hour of

1265
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:50,180
content they have to feel five nights a

1266
00:52:54,610 --> 00:52:52,370
week that's right and and and also in

1267
00:52:57,700 --> 00:52:54,620
the times that they are you can only do

1268
00:52:58,990 --> 00:52:57,710
pretty much g rated stuff so i don't see

1269
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:59,000
the show that often but imagine stuff

1270
00:53:06,130 --> 00:53:01,040
would get diet or is it big because

1271
00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:12,460
hang on ready ready to to one rose and

1272
00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:13,880
of course a fashion for an effect and

1273
00:53:18,190 --> 00:53:15,470
then lingerie fashion parade of some

1274
00:53:19,930 --> 00:53:18,200
look yeah but boobs and bums are going

1275
00:53:21,849 --> 00:53:19,940
to be obviously you can't show too much

1276
00:53:23,769 --> 00:53:21,859
but like a fashion parade because it's

1277
00:53:25,210 --> 00:53:23,779
fashion so I look and I've done these

1278
00:53:27,279 --> 00:53:25,220
stories covering a fashion parade is

1279
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:27,289
fantastic you just you just go along

1280
00:53:30,430 --> 00:53:28,640
there you film it you talked to a couple

1281
00:53:32,620 --> 00:53:30,440
of miles afterwards cut it in with some

1282
00:53:34,299 --> 00:53:32,630
footage of reaction shots gun there is

1283
00:53:35,769 --> 00:53:34,309
your form well not really easy will

1284
00:53:38,410 --> 00:53:35,779
happen because you could guarantee that

1285
00:53:39,819 --> 00:53:38,420
at least once every month either today

1286
00:53:42,190 --> 00:53:39,829
tonight or a Current Affair will have a

1287
00:53:47,380 --> 00:53:42,200
story about the new bra yeah it seems

1288
00:53:48,670 --> 00:53:47,390
they know they know wow I'm what all saw

1289
00:53:51,009 --> 00:53:48,680
what the ones you can inflate up and

1290
00:53:52,690 --> 00:53:51,019
down and he doesn't it doesn't matter as

1291
00:53:54,910 --> 00:53:52,700
long as it's a story about a bra they

1292
00:53:56,589 --> 00:53:54,920
know that it'll people work I wanted to

1293
00:53:58,420 --> 00:53:56,599
bring back to the peekaboo balcony ones

1294
00:54:00,880 --> 00:53:58,430
I think they're fantastic empowered the

1295
00:54:02,529 --> 00:54:00,890
peekaboo balcony ones they look popular

1296
00:54:04,329 --> 00:54:02,539
in the 50s like that don't they were

1297
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:04,339
like a cute like they're so well made

1298
00:54:09,849 --> 00:54:05,450
you can put your drink on them at a

1299
00:54:11,950 --> 00:54:09,859
party they created for random that they

1300
00:54:14,620 --> 00:54:11,960
do they credit rear and adjusted s it

1301
00:54:18,130 --> 00:54:14,630
yet now this is another interesting

1302
00:54:22,029 --> 00:54:18,140
thing Rachel we've had am a wonderful

1303
00:54:23,710 --> 00:54:22,039
gesture by and list now I mean we were

1304
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:23,720
just absolutely knocked out by that we

1305
00:54:27,999 --> 00:54:25,609
have we have now this started because

1306
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:28,009
you always make me wet late on Friday

1307
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:30,049
nights Richard and once again I'm here

1308
00:54:36,130 --> 00:54:34,640
on a Friday night working and I sent a

1309
00:54:38,380 --> 00:54:36,140
facebook message a couple of weeks ago

1310
00:54:40,930 --> 00:54:38,390
saying that I was at work I was late and

1311
00:54:42,849 --> 00:54:40,940
I wanted to drink now someone wrote back

1312
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:42,859
to me on facebook and said I work in a

1313
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:45,890
winery can I help and I wrote back

1314
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:48,710
immediately and said yes you can can you

1315
00:54:55,779 --> 00:54:54,170
ever now it turns out that um Michael

1316
00:54:57,870 --> 00:54:55,789
who was very kind to send me this

1317
00:55:01,660 --> 00:54:57,880
message he works for the wonderful

1318
00:55:04,089 --> 00:55:01,670
Majella winery in the coonawarra which

1319
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,099
is known as the limestone coast in South

1320
00:55:08,650 --> 00:55:06,559
Australia it's a cold region it's some

1321
00:55:10,839 --> 00:55:08,660
particularly well known for red wines

1322
00:55:11,620 --> 00:55:10,849
and I know this because I used to work

1323
00:55:13,570 --> 00:55:11,630
in a restaurant

1324
00:55:16,540 --> 00:55:13,580
in Adelaide and we were very familiar

1325
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:16,550
with coonawarra wines Michael kindly

1326
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:19,010
sent us 12 bottles of red wine but

1327
00:55:25,930 --> 00:55:22,210
there's a one condition Richard Oh what

1328
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:25,940
yes I agree to a condition to receiving

1329
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:28,880
this wine yeah before I share it amongst

1330
00:55:33,610 --> 00:55:31,970
everyone else on the skeptic zone that

1331
00:55:35,410 --> 00:55:33,620
was a request from Michael and that was

1332
00:55:40,110 --> 00:55:35,420
that you agree not to be Samuel

1333
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:40,120
Hahnemann for the next six months what

1334
00:55:45,850 --> 00:55:43,010
but I'm not Sonja loan oh I mean I mean

1335
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:45,860
the Samuel Hahnemann doesn't appear for

1336
00:55:49,420 --> 00:55:47,690
the next six months can you arrange that

1337
00:55:51,010 --> 00:55:49,430
I'll have to have a word with him I'll

1338
00:55:53,710 --> 00:55:51,020
ring him up and ask him not to appear

1339
00:55:55,180 --> 00:55:53,720
but if that means that if that's a

1340
00:55:57,730 --> 00:55:55,190
condition and I think Samuel Hahnemann

1341
00:55:59,620 --> 00:55:57,740
we'll have to agree to that isn't it

1342
00:56:01,660 --> 00:55:59,630
true though that brian dunning is samuel

1343
00:56:03,730 --> 00:56:01,670
hahnemann yeah I think he is really yeah

1344
00:56:06,370 --> 00:56:03,740
I can't hear Samuel Hahnemann here

1345
00:56:08,140 --> 00:56:06,380
tonight that's good no he's keys Katie

1346
00:56:11,020 --> 00:56:08,150
staying away he's staying away because

1347
00:56:12,790 --> 00:56:11,030
this offer is too good okay now what is

1348
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:12,800
the website from this wonderful winery

1349
00:56:20,110 --> 00:56:17,510
it's dub dub dub majella maj lla wines

1350
00:56:21,850 --> 00:56:20,120
calm today you and we would certainly

1351
00:56:24,430 --> 00:56:21,860
look forward to sharing a glass of that

1352
00:56:27,820 --> 00:56:24,440
and we must thank michael michael has

1353
00:56:30,310 --> 00:56:27,830
been amazing sending us its wine and he

1354
00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:30,320
is on the team at Majella and anyone

1355
00:56:33,490 --> 00:56:31,910
who's in the area please go there and

1356
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:33,500
buy their wine when a wonderful gesture

1357
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:35,210
from a list absolutely wonderful that he

1358
00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:37,730
did that and I'm and I was particularly

1359
00:56:41,410 --> 00:56:39,380
wanted to thank him because I know a lot

1360
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,420
of that kind of water reds and so I'm

1361
00:56:46,570 --> 00:56:43,520
going to appreciate that all by myself

1362
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:46,580
and that website again it is double dog

1363
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:49,490
Majella wines calm today you know

1364
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:51,170
they're doing anything special like

1365
00:56:54,730 --> 00:56:53,330
organic wines or stuff like that go sir

1366
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:54,740
I mean Brian Dunning did a great episode

1367
00:56:58,570 --> 00:56:56,570
of that organic wines and all the

1368
00:57:00,460 --> 00:56:58,580
magical almost magical kind of things

1369
00:57:02,830 --> 00:57:00,470
that you're talking about biodynamic

1370
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:02,840
showing where you put yeah poo in it

1371
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,930
don't know if you know of a ball in

1372
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:07,280
there is a right yeah because I'm

1373
00:57:09,940 --> 00:57:08,720
another house someone used to do that in

1374
00:57:11,950 --> 00:57:09,950
Australia I was just wondering i mean

1375
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:11,960
being a skeptic you probably wouldn't ya

1376
00:57:15,249 --> 00:57:13,609
know there are some but I

1377
00:57:16,839 --> 00:57:15,259
don't think I can't see anything i'm on

1378
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:16,849
the website now and I can't see anything

1379
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:18,529
he published Thompson grapes himself he

1380
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:21,170
buzzed me Musti money the Sony called

1381
00:57:25,930 --> 00:57:23,210
vertical tasting I don't know what that

1382
00:57:31,390 --> 00:57:25,940
is where if you taste enough you are no

1383
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:31,400
longer vertical I'll go along with that

1384
00:57:36,099 --> 00:57:34,160
and while he's stomping his grapes when

1385
00:57:37,749 --> 00:57:36,109
his feet gets tied he's put me he's not

1386
00:57:39,849 --> 00:57:37,759
definitely not because he's a skeptical

1387
00:57:43,089 --> 00:57:39,859
man he's not going home to his bio

1388
00:57:46,329 --> 00:57:43,099
magnetic underlay what a Segway now if

1389
00:57:48,220 --> 00:57:46,339
you're a fox tell subscriber like I am

1390
00:57:49,509 --> 00:57:48,230
yet thatís not as well as running ads

1391
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:49,519
about you're going to die every 10

1392
00:57:52,569 --> 00:57:50,960
minutes so get some insurance yeah

1393
00:57:54,579 --> 00:57:52,579
that's one of the ones they just keep

1394
00:57:56,529 --> 00:57:54,589
running all the time grandpa grandpa are

1395
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:56,539
you dead yet they have eggs like that um

1396
00:58:00,279 --> 00:57:59,119
but they had this one that if i was

1397
00:58:02,140 --> 00:58:00,289
watching i don't know and i thought i'd

1398
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:02,150
bring it up with you guys that they seem

1399
00:58:05,769 --> 00:58:03,440
to be claiming if you have magnets in

1400
00:58:07,390 --> 00:58:05,779
your underlay it does all sorts of great

1401
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:07,400
things for you and i thought this had

1402
00:58:10,690 --> 00:58:09,410
been disproved a very long time ago well

1403
00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:10,700
you know what i think we're very

1404
00:58:14,650 --> 00:58:12,529
skeptical about this now our good friend

1405
00:58:16,779 --> 00:58:14,660
loretta Marin I also known as the jelly

1406
00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:16,789
bean lady has had some success lately

1407
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:22,249
and she sent us this little item now

1408
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:27,049
good friends at the happy the CRP the

1409
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:29,410
complaints resolution panel yes have

1410
00:58:35,170 --> 00:58:32,480
decided to send the following to a

1411
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:35,180
company called biomagnetic underlay

1412
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,480
products or biomagnetic which advertise

1413
00:58:42,249 --> 00:58:40,880
regularly on TV saying you know sleep on

1414
00:58:45,479 --> 00:58:42,259
our mattress with full of magnets

1415
00:58:48,009 --> 00:58:45,489
whatever whatever retraction an

1416
00:58:49,749 --> 00:58:48,019
advertisement for biomagnetic underlaid

1417
00:58:51,700 --> 00:58:49,759
products which we broadcast on

1418
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,710
television should not have been

1419
00:58:56,380 --> 00:58:53,599
broadcast in the advertisement we

1420
00:58:59,470 --> 00:58:56,390
unlawfully made claims that the

1421
00:59:01,809 --> 00:58:59,480
advertised underlay products could in

1422
00:59:05,470 --> 00:59:01,819
could provide pain relief temporary

1423
00:59:08,109 --> 00:59:05,480
relief temporary temporarily relieve

1424
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:08,119
aches and pains and relieve conditions

1425
00:59:14,650 --> 00:59:11,599
such as arthritis sciatica sciatica

1426
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:14,660
thank you I forgot my glasses muscle

1427
00:59:20,290 --> 00:59:17,690
spasms sore muscles head pain and back

1428
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,300
pain a complaint about the advertisement

1429
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:22,400
was recently upheld by the complaints

1430
00:59:26,650 --> 00:59:24,770
resolution panel the evidence we

1431
00:59:28,990 --> 00:59:26,660
provided in response to the complaint

1432
00:59:31,180 --> 00:59:29,000
did not support the claims we made and

1433
00:59:33,850 --> 00:59:31,190
the panel found that the claims were

1434
00:59:35,580 --> 00:59:33,860
unlawful misleading and unverified and

1435
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:35,590
breached the therapeutics goods

1436
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:38,570
advertising code that the panel

1437
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:40,910
therefore requested that biomagnetic

1438
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:43,280
proprietary limited published this

1439
00:59:48,090 --> 00:59:45,410
retraction the full text of the panel's

1440
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:48,100
determination can be found at dub dub

1441
00:59:55,660 --> 00:59:54,170
wtg a/c RP comm w sierra / complaints

1442
00:59:57,700 --> 00:59:55,670
okay Richard why are you bothering

1443
01:00:00,240 --> 00:59:57,710
reading this out at all alright the

1444
01:00:03,310 --> 01:00:00,250
point is even though that they made this

1445
01:00:05,740 --> 01:00:03,320
judgement and send this off to the

1446
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:05,750
company to put on their website the

1447
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:07,280
company don't have to do a damn thing

1448
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:09,050
about it no which seems a bit odd that

1449
01:00:12,340 --> 01:00:10,640
you'd bother having an apartment that

1450
01:00:13,630 --> 01:00:12,350
can't enforce its own laws I'm sure

1451
01:00:15,310 --> 01:00:13,640
there's lots of ones like that it's like

1452
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:15,320
whenever your commercial radio makes a

1453
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:16,640
mistake it's always bit of a slap on the

1454
01:00:20,740 --> 01:00:19,010
wrist we're at the ABC we have a whole

1455
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:20,750
complaint thing and we track look if you

1456
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:22,610
make a complaint the ABC man we were

1457
01:00:26,350 --> 01:00:24,410
really dragged through the mud yeah yeah

1458
01:00:27,850 --> 01:00:26,360
yeah you have to go in and you spend

1459
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:27,860
several two hours with people in the

1460
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,890
office Tess hours two hours in their

1461
01:00:33,940 --> 01:00:32,480
office if there's a problem I think it's

1462
01:00:36,190 --> 01:00:33,950
the first time the word terse has been

1463
01:00:38,050 --> 01:00:36,200
used on the thing thing yeah but but to

1464
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:38,060
put it into a little bit of context what

1465
01:00:44,350 --> 01:00:40,640
Richard is read out was a request from

1466
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:44,360
the CRP to bioenergetic up you whatever

1467
01:00:52,090 --> 01:00:49,010
versus behavior I don't know but the

1468
01:00:53,740 --> 01:00:52,100
point is that thirty percent of people

1469
01:00:57,250 --> 01:00:53,750
that get issued with these retractions

1470
01:01:00,250 --> 01:00:57,260
do not comply and the TGA cannot enforce

1471
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:00,260
that ruling so they will tell you that

1472
01:01:04,330 --> 01:01:03,050
you've made you know you've breached the

1473
01:01:06,850 --> 01:01:04,340
advertising code that you've breached

1474
01:01:08,740 --> 01:01:06,860
the ethical code and then say can you

1475
01:01:10,450 --> 01:01:08,750
please please please please pretty bad

1476
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:10,460
they don't do it and if they don't do it

1477
01:01:14,020 --> 01:01:12,410
there are no consequences which we found

1478
01:01:17,050 --> 01:01:14,030
with a company called homeopathy plus

1479
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:17,060
which we're told well requested put up a

1480
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:19,010
retraction on the website saying no

1481
01:01:23,820 --> 01:01:21,650
poems do not stack up you can't do this

1482
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:23,830
nice it no yeah and

1483
01:01:28,350 --> 01:01:25,930
and worse than that there was a story on

1484
01:01:30,570 --> 01:01:28,360
late line by Steve Canaan about this

1485
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:30,580
particular problem and then the

1486
01:01:34,050 --> 01:01:32,410
following day the woman who runs that

1487
01:01:36,300 --> 01:01:34,060
website friend Sheffield jumped the

1488
01:01:38,430 --> 01:01:36,310
shark completely and wrote a whole post

1489
01:01:40,620 --> 01:01:38,440
about how homeopathy can cure cancer and

1490
01:01:44,310 --> 01:01:40,630
a needs and guess what's happened

1491
01:01:46,410 --> 01:01:44,320
nothing the TGA has done nothing the CRP

1492
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:46,420
can do nothing and so now she has made

1493
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:48,010
even more outrageous claims than what

1494
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:49,330
she had before there was a complaint

1495
01:01:53,130 --> 01:01:51,370
[\h__\h] the thing we can do on the skeptics

1496
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:53,140
are at least is what I did and I read

1497
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:55,570
out that thing so that the company

1498
01:02:01,440 --> 01:01:57,970
involved the biomagnetic was it

1499
01:02:03,630 --> 01:02:01,450
biomagnetic orphans well look what the

1500
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,640
only good thing about that I can say is

1501
01:02:07,260 --> 01:02:05,680
that if you have foxtel one of their ads

1502
01:02:09,830 --> 01:02:07,270
is on instead of one of those ones about

1503
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:09,840
you're gonna die soon as I get insurance

1504
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:12,640
which which which if anyone has foxtel

1505
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:14,650
and watches it get those ads get really

1506
01:02:17,370 --> 01:02:15,760
annoying because they're on about every

1507
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:17,380
10 minutes and I repeat them so this is

1508
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:19,510
a different add to an early death can I

1509
01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:22,090
just just for context may not Foxtel is

1510
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:23,950
cable television that that's right at

1511
01:02:27,570 --> 01:02:26,290
our at our cable TV supply our platform

1512
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:27,580
here in Australia which is a

1513
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:29,650
murdoch-owned and carries just about

1514
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:31,090
everything just about it and which and

1515
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:32,650
discovery science is my favorite channel

1516
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:36,130
anyway biomagnetic products that's the

1517
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:39,010
that's the company have been requested

1518
01:02:42,990 --> 01:02:41,200
to put up this retraction easily please

1519
01:02:45,870 --> 01:02:43,000
please please and I'll bet you the next

1520
01:02:48,450 --> 01:02:45,880
hot dinner hu they don't comply could I

1521
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:48,460
use this as a forum to put out a story

1522
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:50,890
I'm looking for story lead now I've made

1523
01:02:54,990 --> 01:02:53,170
a few phone calls to the producers of

1524
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:55,000
the Mythbusters program beyond here in

1525
01:02:58,620 --> 01:02:57,010
Australia and I know that those guys are

1526
01:03:00,270 --> 01:02:58,630
are skeptics as well that work on that

1527
01:03:02,250 --> 01:03:00,280
show and I would like to do an interview

1528
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:02,260
with the editor whoever he or she is in

1529
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:03,760
Australia that edits the program because

1530
01:03:07,620 --> 01:03:05,680
it's all shot in America that's editor

1531
01:03:09,570 --> 01:03:07,630
to here in Australia and I voiceover

1532
01:03:10,830 --> 01:03:09,580
guys in Sydney actually yes and look I

1533
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:10,840
would really like to talk to the ADA to

1534
01:03:15,150 --> 01:03:12,250
accept that's a person does the heavy

1535
01:03:17,730 --> 01:03:15,160
lifting and makes that show as well as

1536
01:03:19,770 --> 01:03:17,740
good as it is and is a great yes so

1537
01:03:21,420 --> 01:03:19,780
please contact me at my website that i

1538
01:03:23,940 --> 01:03:21,430
mentioned earlier and i would really

1539
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:23,950
like that and also i found out in any of

1540
01:03:28,110 --> 01:03:25,570
you admit that myth but that that wasn't

1541
01:03:29,550 --> 01:03:28,120
the original format of the show the show

1542
01:03:31,890 --> 01:03:29,560
was originally pitched that you'd have

1543
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:31,900
that you'd have the two guys back at

1544
01:03:33,860 --> 01:03:33,370
base and there would be what they called

1545
01:04:52,010 --> 01:03:33,870
a

1546
01:04:53,330 --> 01:04:52,020
edge do you need me to go out on ABC

1547
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:53,340
because I want everybody to hear about

1548
01:04:57,290 --> 01:04:54,960
this cuz you know I think editors are

1549
01:04:59,120 --> 01:04:57,300
the unsung heroes of imagine being sure

1550
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:59,130
you'll get like a shot list and you'll

1551
01:05:02,510 --> 01:05:00,960
get some basic cuts from the producer

1552
01:05:03,830 --> 01:05:02,520
and everything but imagine getting all

1553
01:05:05,630 --> 01:05:03,840
the footage of that should see how many

1554
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:05,640
cameras they weren't sure I mean that

1555
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:06,960
you know there'll be a lot of effort

1556
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:08,640
goes into that I mean it is it is a

1557
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,170
budget show now and a lot of producers

1558
01:05:14,180 --> 01:05:11,760
work on it but doing the actual editing

1559
01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:14,190
would be I reckon most people editors

1560
01:05:16,940 --> 01:05:15,660
dream because you have so many great

1561
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:16,950
shots to cut together I would someone

1562
01:05:20,030 --> 01:05:18,090
talk to the person who doesn't it's a

1563
01:05:21,620 --> 01:05:20,040
good show it's a great show everybody

1564
01:05:23,810 --> 01:05:21,630
involved as a good job because it's

1565
01:05:27,050 --> 01:05:23,820
entertaining and informative we might

1566
01:05:28,670 --> 01:05:27,060
say as we hope the think tank is and I

1567
01:05:30,020 --> 01:05:28,680
would like to thank our special guests

1568
01:05:31,610 --> 01:05:30,030
tonight may not thank you may know look

1569
01:05:32,930 --> 01:05:31,620
I hope I've been to haven't been to wish

1570
01:05:34,970 --> 01:05:32,940
for you because like I'm gonna go home

1571
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:34,980
and watch that westall doc oh now I'm

1572
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:36,570
gonna get something your chips and eat

1573
01:05:40,370 --> 01:05:38,130
them and get excited have

1574
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:40,380
really like them I'm sure I think I why

1575
01:05:44,839 --> 01:05:42,329
I'd like to thank dr. Reggie thank you

1576
01:06:17,240 --> 01:05:44,849
very much Richard and uncle al next

1577
01:06:23,370 --> 01:06:20,430
thank you for downloading the skeptic

1578
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:23,380
zone and as you probably gathered by

1579
01:06:27,570 --> 01:06:25,210
listening to this week's episode we are

1580
01:06:29,940 --> 01:06:27,580
very excited to be going to Tam Las

1581
01:06:32,190 --> 01:06:29,950
Vegas we're planning lots of things at

1582
01:06:37,890 --> 01:06:32,200
the moment don't worry we will be

1583
01:06:41,420 --> 01:06:37,900
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1584
01:06:44,670 --> 01:06:41,430
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1585
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:44,680
if you're coming to Tam Vegas drop by

1586
01:06:49,740 --> 01:06:48,130
our table and have a nibble handle next

1587
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:49,750
week's show anyway this is Richard

1588
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:51,970
Saunders signing off from Sydney

1589
01:07:01,080 --> 01:06:57,370
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1590
01:07:04,890 --> 01:07:01,090
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